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I was showing some of my Knutsen research to one of my students (who is also doing geneological research on her family). She looked at the HGs and said, "Gee, those look a lot like Banduras." We searched a little on the HG.net site and found a few references, including the instrument Gregg made himself! The only thing that kind of rubbed her the wrong way was Gregg's reference to them being "Russian" - she would've preferred to have them specifically called Ukrainian...

Today, she brought in this great album for me to see:



I didn't realize how big these things were or how they were played. Neat! Check out those multiple tailpieces! And dig the big one in the center with the separate bridges for the "necked" strings and treble bank. Some have nut extensions for sub basses too!

(BTW the original pic is in BLAZING Kodachrome color!)

Me: Wow, that string configuration was used on some of Knutsen's harp guitars. For example:

http://www.harpguitars.net/knutsen_images/hgt26b.jpg

I wonder if there's some kind of cultural connection there... Norway/Ukraine?

Her: (pauses) Well... VIKINGS! 


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Yeah, Vikings!

I have some of the Viking heritage, as well, I think.

One of the most amazing things to me about Banduras is the incredibly complicated mechanical apparatus that some of tham have for key/tuning changes, changing a whole bank of strings at once.  Wild stuff!

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Very cool!  Darrell, I never used "Russian" that I am aware of...
http://minermusic.com/cc/bellcarol.htm


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I think she was referring to the heading you put them under on the organology page:

http://harpguitars.net/history/org/org-hybrids.htm

She didn't think Russians played that instrument. But you also have to remember she isn't an Ethnomusicologist. So she might be mistaken. OTOH I've found web pages called "Bandura, Soul of the Ukraine" so I have a feeling she might be right.

Somewhat Knutsen-related - there was/is a Ukrainian community in Echo Park. I don't know if you remember the gold-topped church steeple near the McDuff address, Gregg, but that's a Ukrainian church. Don't know how old it is, though. Turns out my student was married there! I wonder if there were Ukrainian communities in Minnesota or Washington (Jean?). Evidently at the turn of the 20th century there was a big "Bandura Resurgence" in the Ukraine. Perhaps that was also felt by a certain Norwegian luthier here in the US?

Anyone take a stab at Ukrainian tunes on a super-treble HG?

More Googling found lots more madness...

http://www.infoukes.com/bandura/Yemetz.JPEG

(notice similarity to Fred's Avatar pic)

http://www.blacksea-crimea.com/WebAlbums/Lessya-album/images/Scan115.jpg

http://www.bandura.org/images/old_pic.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1a/Chernihiv.jpg.JPEG


Also (non-bandura-related) the band pictured at the bottom of the Unidentified European Instruments page (Misha_Sotnikoff-s, "A balalaika and domra ensemble with an unusual harp guitar.") may also be Ukrainian. My student said you could tell by their dress... And the fact the tambourine (?) has "Ukraine" written on it.






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Probably more than you wanted to know...

http://www.polyhymnion.org/torban/

It's like HG.net for Ukrainian lutes! Lots of neat pix (some HGs in there too).

Love the bandura with the portrait of Vasyl' Shevchenko as the soundhole...

EDIT Sorry, couldn't resist...






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