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OK,  I'm a newbie to this forum and I'm sure it's been covered before, but what is the best 5 string dyer style tuning for  DADGAD?  Is there any superbass tuning that would work reasonably well for both DADGAD and conventional "G" tuning (DGDGBD)?   String gauges?

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I do not know about conventional G but for DADGAD I have used from low to high: GBCAE and it works reasonably well for my needs (I only play dadgad)
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Thanks Nate!   Can you tell me the string gauges you prefer?  I've been bugging the John Pearse people and they've sent me strings down to about 72, but I don't want to "commit" without knowing what's useful, good sounding, etc.

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careful, Hewett uses very heavy bracing thus I can get away with huge gauges.  I use D'addario Acoustic Phosphor bronzes on the subbasses as follows: G(pb070) B(pb064) C(pb066) A(pb066) then with E I use an extra 056 from my elixer 6 string set.  For the six strings I am very parital to Elixers nano or poly web 13s (mediums).   Haven't really figured out what I should be using on my trebles but that time is rapidly approaching where I have to switch strings (more to come).

I usually order my strings in bulk from http://www.juststrings.com however I understand that the pope is also selling strings.... (Gregg?)

btw: what type of guitar are you playing Dr. Dave? and what type of music are you doing with it?

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Nate - you're supposed to be promoting Harp Guitar Music, not Juststrings!
I make sure I match their prices, and have more of what you guys need.
And Dave, any discussion of gauges is somewhat risky without knowing not only the instrument construction, but also vibrating length for each sub.  Even Dyer "copies" can vary widely.

My available steel subs are here and include many guidelines, and link to the tension template I use.

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Hi guys!

Yes, DADGAD is my home.  I do, however, use 6 basses.  My standard sub-bass tuning is (low to high) GABCEG, which is a slight variant on Stephen Bennett's standard sub tuning.  He has a D where I have an E but, with DADGAD, I have a D where he has an E.  There is only one piece that I've worked on thus far where I've strayed from this tuning.  For that, I've just changed the A,B, and E to Ab, Bb, and Eb.  I'm sure I will stray further as time goes on and different pieces of music make their needs known to me, but this seems like a good place to work from. 

My low string is an 070 and it sounds great to me.  Still, I may try something just a little heavier to see how it feels.  When I first met Duane Noble, the subs on his HGs (which were all 5 bass at the time) were all 066.

Don Alder might be a good person to speak with.  He has a 5 bass Noble HG and I know he does some things in DADGAD.

Take care!

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Frank,

That's interesting. I originally had my six subs at F G A Bb C D for DADGAD - thinking only about having the subs lower than the main - and hadn't thought about using the last one as a G - F G A Bb C G. This makes a lot of sense now replacing the sixth string fretted at the 5th and a more ringing sound. I need to get used to the "geography" and am off to practice some. For the style I play, an E in the sub-bass isn't of much use to me - I use those mostly within chords on the main strings and I wouldn't use a B very much. The F, Bb and C are very useful for the F and C chords that sit in a lot of Mixolydian Irish stuff in the key of D or Dm.

At the end of the day I suspect it will vary slightly on the piece you are playing as to how you tune them.

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Hey Frank,

A part of me wishes that DADGAD was my home. Once I get the Sedgwick, I'll be calling bBeEg#G#bbee my home.

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So far, the best one I've found is (low to high) GABDG. Is anyone using the highest harp string at a higher note than the low "D" in DADGAD?

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I use E to make some standard tuning tunes easier


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Hey guys,

David, I'm glad to help you find something new to explore.  I hope it works out for you.  I have found the B & E useful thus far.  You are correct that tuning of the subs will have to vary for certain tunes.  Take a look at all the sub-bass tunings listed in Stephen Bennett's CDs.  The GABCEG is a good place for me to use as a base to depart from as needed.

Brad, it would be interesting to create a rough equivalent to DADGAD on the viola caipira.  I'm not sure which note to cut to fit on 5 courses.

Take care!

--Frank
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Frank,

Do you have a cite (site?) for Steven Bennett's tunings?  I tried his website but it doesn't seem to show anything.

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Hi Dave,

I do not know of a website that lists Stephen's sub-bass tunings.  They are listed for each track in the packaging for his CDs.  If you don't have it yet, Stephen's harp guitar compilation CD is a good way to get information on a large share of his HG output, and its a great collection of music.  Now, Stephen's standard guitar tuning is standard tuning.  The only harp guitar tune, I know of, that he recorded using DADGAD on the neck is Old Growth, which does appear on the compilation CD.  GABCDG is his standard sub-bass tuning, though music sometimes requires deviation from that norm.

There is a well researched tuning chart listed on this website at http://www.harpguitars.net/players/tunings.htm .  It might be of use to someone here.

Regarding your previous post here, if you didn't notice already, the E and adjacent G are both higher notes than the low D in DADGAD, in my standard sub-bass tuning.  You'll find a number of tunings, listed at the link above, where the highest sub-bass strings are pitched higher than the lowest pitch on the neck. 

Take care!

--Frank
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