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I'm sorry, I've never done this before! I posted the photo without the question which was this:
Can any body throw some light on this 9 string Harp guitar?
The scrolled headstock?
The ivory and wooden bridge with carvings each side?
And especially the C shaped sound hole?
I cannot find a similar headstock or sound hole on any guitar, mandolin or in fact any stringed instrument, I have been trawling the web for days now.
The guitar scale length is 640mm. It is ladder braced. Ivory bridge, nut and string supports (3 additional bass strings). It has 18 metal (brass I think) frets and the neck which has an adjusting nut at the heel is joined to the body at the 12th fret. The neck and scrolled headstock are one piece.

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Hello Gary:
              This instrument looks definitively Italian to me from bigining of the 20th century. The C shape soundhole looks a lot like sone Mandolin soundholes, I should say South Italy maker.
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Hi Benoit
I’m a new member Gary from Watford, England. Thanks very much for your comments. I was given this guitar 25 years ago, it has been wrapped up on a shelf until now. It’s a basket case I’m sure, damage all over it, but would it be of any interest to anybody? I haven’t found one like it in any of the galleries here or on any other site!

Thanks again.

Gary.


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Well, I'm still trawling the web and I can't find a guitar (or other instrument) with a C shaped sound hole. Can anyone anywhere show me anything like this??
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OK folks, this is now day 40 of full time (8 -10 hours per day) research into this instrument!( I know this is global and I want to thank the UK’s National Health Service, Mental Health In the Community Project, for giving me January OFF!!)

I honestly believe that I have viewed more images of guitars and stringed instruments than any other human in the history of mankind (and this includes the little known 18th century garrotting murderer, the notorious, highly strung, acoustic pervert Norman Stoates (sea kelp) (or link) please see calcs below.

Based on an average viewing time of (give or take) 1 second per image, a screen of 100 thumbnails could be scanned , with reasonable accuracy, in approx 1 minute.

This gives an hourly rate of 3,600 images p/h.

So over the course of an average researching day 36,000 images.

I’ve only been on it for 40 days so far, so the Math looks like this:

1 x 100 x 60 x 10 x 40 = 2,400,000 images.

Now, I have learnt from your site that Luthiers worldwide produced maybe 120,000 instruments in the year 1920 alone, 2.4 mil equates to 20 years of production at this rate.

I am searching for and attempting to view and find a similar instrument within the 60 year period of 1860 - 1920. Extrapolating the Math I am around 33% done, only another 2 months and 5 million images to view!

To my mind it seems that The Laws of Random Math, Uncertainty and Repetition Theory suggest, my guitar, of unknown origin with its C SHAPED SOUNDHOLE is not only rare, but could be totally unique.

Unfortunately, the same Laws of Math suggest that the last 7 images of an overall total viewed of say, 7,500,000, could all be identical to my guitar, go figure.

Dear Mr Miner, I want you to know that I intend to renew my annual subscription for LIFE… I feel like Alice who has fallen through the Looking Glass. Thank you for your truly spectacular reference library…but…do you actually have many English speaking members?….are they just shy?? I thought Forum meant discuss!!

Oh…and what’s the record amount of times a person has replied to their own post? I may feel like a “Billy No Mates” but I would like to get my 10 Bucks worth.

PLEASE… SOMEBODY TALK TO ME…

Kind regards GaryKemp.

PS. Mr Miner, a touch of humour is ok right??


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Gary, I think you'll find that many of us have just a little more than a "touch" of humor.
But come to a Gathering for that side of things...
Your math is impressive.  Yes, there are less historians in this gaggle of Forum users than I would like, but I'm sure Ben (or I) can find that soundhole for you (online, in our files, in my 100s of books) - BUT, it could take some time.

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Gary, you have inspired me to begin a search for other guitars with polka-dot pants as in this new mind blowing example.

 http://harpguitars.websitetoolbox.com/post/the-humanitar-is-being-born-6702617

In earlier searches I have found sound holes with a D shape as in the Selmer-Maccferri guitars also many guitars with F holes. I have completed my search for the classic O shape that you may have seen. I don't personally think the C shaped hole is very attractive so it may not have been repeated anywhere else. I can build you a Harp Guitar with a C shaped sound hole adding a D and an F sound port if you can come up with the cash. Let me know if I may be of service to you.

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To Mr Gregg Miner and Mr

Michael Schreiner

Dear Your Holinesses

Firstly, Mr Miner, I have made it my mission in life to attend one of your gatherings. I would cut off my right, hollow, theoboed style extension arm to do so. I am a self employed builder and unfortunately here business is slow, funding a trip to the U.S seems a long way off.

Secondly, Mr Michael Schreiner, I have checked out the Humanitar. I paint and sculpt myself. Can I please come and live with you, I just need to be near you. Love Gary.

 


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Fred made that guitar, not me. I asked my wife if you could live here. SHE SAY NO.

Michael

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Well thanks for trying....could I maybe live with Fred??
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Hi Gary

You should have come to the European harp guitar festival. It was closer and cost half as much.
Perhaps the 'C' shape sound hole guitar is a one off.

All the best
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Hi all.
Steve, you beat me to it.
The European harp guitar festival!
The organisers put on 2 fantasic shows, all for free! Luthiers were there. Greg was there.

Well, we did say that we would organise another one, down our way,and we will. (Gard France).
but would you be interested in coming, is anybody interested in coming?

Gary if you intend coming, could you pop in to me Mum & Dad's in Stanmore and bring some tea bags over. Thanks
Best wishes
Sean
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To Mr Stephen Sedgwick and Mr Sean Woolley

Dear Mr Stephen Sedgwick, I have only just become a member of HG.net in December 2013. To raise some funds, I reluctantly sold 4 instruments, 2 vintage 12 strings, one 6 string and a Hondo Tenor Banjo from a small collection I have acquired over the years, all instruments that I brought in the 70’s.

It was only during this process that I remembered the oddity that I was given 30 years ago that I had wrapped in a sheet, tucked away in a corner. It was the researching of this oddity that made me aware of the world of Harp guitars, I wish I had dug it out sooner and made it to the European Gathering!

Secondly, Mr Sean Woolley, Yes, yes, yes, I will come to next European Gathering. I could get to any venue in Europe by car! Obviously it sounds like you are no longer in Stanmore, it sounds like you live in France now. Where? We owned a place in St Ouen des Vallons near Montsurs for 15 years. It was only the down turn in the Construction Industry and lack of work that forced us to sell it last year.

I am obviously a fellow Francophile but do you really think that asking me to courier herbal products across borders is appropriate for a FIRST CONTACT!!!!

Kind regards Gary Kemp.


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Mr Michael Schreiner, any luck with any more Polka Dot Pants? Do you have any idea of its value, would a collection be interested in it?
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Still no luck finding any instruments with C shaped sound holes. Has anyone ever seen one?
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"C" senior, at the beginning of this post. It has the only "crosette" also.

Michael 

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Thank you Michael, I have googled "crosette" and found nothing to do with sound holes. To be honest, I don't understand your post, could you please extrapolate.
Regards Gary.

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Gary,

I am touched that you still want to live with me after seeing The Humanitar,  which has no "C" soundholes, but is likely the only harp guitar extant with Polka Dot Pants.

Not to be construed as an invitation, but if you do come could you bring some food? (Not much income yet to be derived from the construction of Humanitars)

Regarding that "C" soundhole, I must have made an instrument with something like that at some point, or maybe that was someone else.....

You try making a Humanitar and see how your brain holds up!!

Best Wishes,

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Thank you for your comments.
Regards Gary.

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Hey Gary...Look what I found 

http://blog.feinviolins.com/2013/04/why-f-holes.html

About 1/4 down the page is a Viol by Jakob Stainer with "C" holes.

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Well.....now that you mention it.....

I'd been thinking horizontal C-shaped soundholes, as on the instrument Gary pictured.  Of course, there are many, many examples of the C shape as a sound hole on early bowed instrument, preceding the adoption of the F-hole as the standard.  I even remembered this picture of a nineteenth century guitar by the Mauchant Brothers of Mirecourt.  mauchant guitar.jpg  A slightly different, color picture appears in the book "The Illustrated History of the Guitar" (Alexander Bellow);  I found this one on the web, embedded in an Asian (Chinese?) website; amazingly the only image I found online, considering it's such an unusual instrument.  It has not only the C-holes, but a carved top, and a very unusual arrangement of pin string attachment coupled with a floating bridge.  It doesn't seem likely that it relates in any way to the horizontal C-hole on Gary's example.  But it's cool!

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