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This isn't exactly HG-related, but I have a pile of electronic gear to sell/get rid of, including a good digital mixer and a bunch of mac-based digital recording components (computer, Motu interface, CD burner, etc.).  All old but hardly used, in excellent or new condition and really cheap.  You can check out the listings on Craigslist for more details:
recording stuff: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/msg/478078244.html
mixer: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/msg/478073759.html

Although the ads specify cash only and customer pickup at my place, I'll be happy to accept a check and offer shipping (you pay) for any of my friends in the HG community.  Let me know if anyone can put any of this to use!
I've just posted the ads, and I'll have to give priority to anyone local who can pick things up here, but do let me know if you're interested.

Thanks,

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But what will you record the Banjalarpe on?!
I'm expecting big things from you!  (hey, you just inherited Jeff's old blurb!)

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Greggster!

We just ordered a recorder that hopefully we will be able to actually use (computer-based recording did not seem to work for us Luddites), and we're scrambling to figure out how to pay the property taxes and get a couple sort-of-decent microphones.  I'm hoping we can sell all that stuff (cost us thousands new...I blew my vast inheritance on it!)for enough to get a decent but cheap mic.

In fact, if anyone has a recommendation for a good, warm-sounding mic for under, say $300. (is that possible...maybe under $500. is more reasonable, but starting to stretch our financial possibilities), let me know!

Yes, the Banjalarpe will be recorded!  But first, the Christmas album of songs about favorite family pets!  (Great art must always take precedence over mere business considerations!)  Still, this one will be a real seller...I know if it had harp guitar on it you'd want to feature it on HGM.

Of course, I still have to build the Banjalarpe, but, hey, we all live in our little fantasy worlds, right?  In mine, I can build a Banjalarpe most anytime, and learn to play it even faster!

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Hi Fred,
  I got an AKG Perception 200 for $159. Seems to do well for both instrument and vocals. (Hey, it sounds better than I do!) Probably warm up nicely with a tube pre-amp behind it.


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Thanks, Dennis.

There's a question I have....just how important is the mic pre-amp?  Can you really effect the tone of the mic by the pre-amp you use?  I guess yes must be the answer, since there are a lot of mic pre-amps out there.  But how do I figure out what mic pre to combine with what cheap mic to get the perfect sound I want???



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Wish I had a good answer Fred. But I have not moved into a pe-amp as yet. A recording engineer I know claims they can warm up a signal nicely. And he normally likes to keep the effects chain to a minimum. I run an old Alesis QuadraVerb and an ART MultiVerb for the two aux busses on the mixer. Lots of recording software out there these days, and all kinds of effects patches. But....I still like turning knobs and pushing buttons vs. clicking a mouse!
  I had talked with several people about "a good large diaphragm condesor for recording acoustic guitars that doesn't cost a fortune", and the AKG 200 seemed to always come up. So I went with that. I have also heard the Rhode NT1 is really nice, but a bit more expensive.

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now i see that you guys are talkin about pres and good mics...  Avery and i talk about that, all the time... actually we have been  recording with a RODE NT1, and it is a bit "cold" sounding for inst and voice. but Avery said he got a berenger tube pre and that really helped to warm up that sound (he has a rode nt1 also)... the rode NT1 is 200$ and the berenger pre is like 89$ so for under 3 bills you get a great sounding mic setup. very high signal and warmed up with tubes.
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Thanks for all the thoughts, guys!  It's good to know about the Berenger pre; I wouldn't have guessed one in that price range would be of much use, but you never know!

I just took the plunge and ordered a couple mics to try out:

an Audio Technica AT4040 large diaphragm condenser
and a Beyerdynamic Ribbon mic, the M260

I just blew the afternoon reading mic reviews on Harmony Central (so much for guitar-building today!); I wasn't thinking about AT, but a couple of their large diaphragm condensers in my general price-range got the best reviews overall.  Then I remembered that my favorite condenser mic for years has been a little Audio Technica clip-on.

Actually I couldn't find much on the Beyerdynamic Ribbon mic (seems to be a new model), but their other models got good reviews and the price on this was more in my range.  I'm hoping the ribbon mic will offer a warmer alternative to the condenser mics, which I already have a couple of.  I'm hoping the mic pres on the Akai recorder will be acceptable, 'cause I've just about used up all the money I don't have! 

Fred

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Regarding microphones and preamps, here's a general rule: A nice preamp can make a generic mic sound great. A bad mic preamp will make a nice mic sound like crap.

It's always good to have a nice microphone, but if you're missing the nice pre, you're kinda spinning your wheels.

To get the kind of warmth you want when recording acoustic instruments, a lot of people will use either a tube mic with a solid state mic pre or a solid state mic (usually a condenser) with a tube pre. The later is most common I think. The logic is that the tube element gives the solid state element the necessary warmth.

If you want am exact transparent representation of what you record, you'd go with a solid state mic and pre. I don't know many people who have combine tune mics with tube pres, although, depending on the brand/quality, you could probably still get excellent results. The most common opinion regarding this configuration is that if you have 2 tube elements, the signal may likely become too colored.

I suppose that if you wanted to get more of a vintage recording, it would be cool to use a ribbon mic with a nice transparent solid state pre.

Anyway, there's my 2 cents.

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great info Brad!
thanks!

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You got true Brad,

A good pre with a generic mic do the job better than a good mic with generic pre !

About the ribbon mic, you have to know that it is much suitable for power sources such as bass drum, guiitare amp, brass... but not really for guitar, violin, voice,vibraphone... It is too much more suitable for bass tone than trebble tone.
that's my experience in audio recording.


regards,

Pierre,

ps: I really love the akg c4000 !

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Thanks, Brad!

I have yet to experience what the mic pres are like that come with the Akai digital recorder;  I'm sure some recording engineers would turn up their noses at them, but I'm also sure they're likely to be better than anything I've use previously (which ain't sayin much!).  I expect I'll need to try a tube mic pre at some point...but jeez, there's a whole new can of worms!  

Actually, I've been pretty happy with the sound I've been able to get with guitar and banjo; the problem we've had in the past has been getting a sound from the fiddle that isn't harsh and edgy.  I'll see what the new mics do...it's all fun trying to figure it out.  Maybe someday I'll actually have a HG of my own to record with!  The Banjalarpe will certainly require some mighty special equipment to grasp it's elusive song out of the ether!



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Hey Fred,

The Akai preamps may be passable, but I think if you invested in a dedicated mic pre, you'd definately hear a difference.

There are a lot of pros who secretly use the "Really Nice Preamp" by a small company called FMR. Its' a two channel mic pre that will give you the same performance as some of the very expensive preamps. The FMR sells for $499.

Here's a link to their website product page: http://www.fmraudio.com/RNP8380.htm

The good thing about using a dedicated nice preamp is that you can more easily boost the signal, thereby enabling you to record at a higher resolution.  

Hope this helps!

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