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Hey everybody,

I just wanted to pass this along to anyone who is giging with their harp guitar.

I found an excellent stand that I'd strongly recommend for gigs. It's made by Hercules. Here's a link to the specs: http://www.herculesstands.com/guitars/GS414B.html

What's cool about this stand is that it's construction is rock solid and the combination of a neck brace that surrounds the neck and the fact that it hangs and does not sit on a couple brackets means there's no way it can tip. (Also, if your HG has a bottom cutaway like the AVC, you don't have to worry about balancing it on brackets.)

I thought it was important to post this because the last thing you want to have happen on stage is for your HG to fall over and break. I've heard of some stories of this happening recently and it's pretty sobering.







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Thanks for the tip, Brad.  I'll be interested to feel the balance of the AVC, as it would seem to have the same problem as every other hollow-arm harp guitar I've seen.
True, they can tip over on the old fashioned guitar stands.  They also won't hang well on the very similar-to-yours US tripod stand.  I have used these, and while they usually don't tip over, a Dyer (and similar) will swing to the side from the weight of the arm, them reach a certain point and rotate at the hanging contact points - to where it is not remotely stable and is rubbing everywhere BUT the foam-protected areas.  I've seen your stand and didn't think it solved any problems.  It IS a serious dilemma, and I cringe every time I see the beautiful lineup of priceless HGs on the Gathering stage.  Accidents just waiting to happen.  I hope to design a secure HGM stand to take care of the off-balance problem, but have't finished yet.



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Nice try Brad! We all know that you just want any chance you can get to show off your new "Axe"!

What's next...?
"I found a new chamois that really cleans a harp-viola caipira. Take a look".

Just kidding man! I want even more pics. 

Still insanely envious and supremely jealous.

Rock On.

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Hey Gregg,

The base of that US tripod stand doesn't look near as stable as the Hercules. At any rate, we'll have a chance to test out the stand on larger instruments at HGG6. I think the AVC is slightly less arm heavy when compared to a standard HG since there's a significant treble bank and lower bout cutaway on the armless side. Also, I'd venture to guess that the AVC actually weighs about the same. However, since a standard HG is significantly larger than the AVC, that could also contribute to a more serious balance issue.

Now I need to find out where I can order some .31, .33 and .37 gauge strings for the 'sub-basses'.

-Brad

Chris - I agree that it's a very cool instrument! However, if you were to actually see it in person, your first reaction might be "It shrunk!" It is a harp guitar version of a viola caipira which has the scale length of an Irish cittern, not a standard guitar.


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Oh, I fully realize the scale Brad.
It still is soo dreamy .

Eva Longoria isn't exactly full sized either, but hey...









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Hello Brad,

Nice guitar! I'm looking forward to hearing it.

I've been using a Catch-o-Matic stand at home, and it works great on my Dyer copy.

Pete
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Try GHS silk and bronze, they have a lot of sizes and the sound should beperfect for the instrument. Or are you planing to use silk and steel?
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Hi Ben,

I've read that many fingerstyle guitarists prefer silk and bronze for it's more mellow tone. I wonder what type of strings most HG players prefer.

Also, I checked with my local GHS dealer. They can only order even numbered gauges. Oh well...

Steve recommended D'Addario. I'll do more research and see what I can find. In the meantime, it still plays great!

Pete - I really enjoyed your track on the Harp Guitar Dreams CD. I look forward to hearing you play at HGG6!

I noticed that you used a classical style foot stool while playing. I'm seriously considering using a foot stool as well due to my instruments size and weight. I'm sure it will also help my posture as well.....

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Hi Brad,

I'm glad you like "When We Were Kings". I am very excited about being on the CD.

Regarding footstools, I actually use a support called a "Dynarette". They are available in two sizes and I'm using the larger one. For a while I used a support called a "Neck Up", which I like a lot, but the suction cups on it dissolved the lacquer finish on a very nice guitar, so I stopped using it for now.

I highly recommend products like these because they allow you to keep both feet flat on the floor, and that is very good for posture. Having one foot raised on a stool affects your knee, hip, and lower back and can lead to joint problems. It's also hard to relax in that position.

And since I'm rolling I should recommend a great chair -- the Soundseat. I use one for guitar practice and desk work, too.

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Pete, have you contacted the Neckup folks? I have met and visited with them at several music events, and they seem genuinely interested in customer feedback (and I don't even have one of their products!).

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Hello Dennis,

Yes. I let the Neck Up guys know about the problem with the suction cups right away. I still like their support a lot and I use it on guitars with poly finishes. For overall height, neck angle, and adjustability it is the best I've found.
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Pete,

I knew I remembered you using something to raise the level of your harp guitar. The Dynarette pad looks like a comfortable solution. I can see how having both feet on the floor reduces the stress on the leg that the HG is resting on.

Also, I was wondering - do you have any other CD's that include any solo harp guitar work?



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Brad,

I don't have any other harp guitar music on CD yet. My plan is to work up a few more harp guitar pieces and then do some quality recordings in a studio.

I recently posted one home-recorded piece on my website, BrownTroutMusic.com. It's the prelude to Bach's cello suite that we hear all the time. It sounds pretty nice in C on that guitar. I hope you give it a listen.

Pete

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Pete,

The cello suite in C sounds great! Very well played. The pedalled bass notes on the harp guitar fit very well with that music. I also particularly enjoyed the Clowns Waltz.

I'm looking forward to hearing your next original piece on harp guitar!

-Brad



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Some very nice music Pete! Makes me seriously regret turning my nose up at classical studies in my younger days.

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Thanks, guys!

I hope to have some more original stuff recorded soon. I have one slack-key piece that's coming up to speed.

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Here's an update on my stand recommendation. The Catch-o-Matic stand worked well with my Merrill guitar (a Dyer copy), but with my new Kathy Wingert guitar it doesn't. I think the differences are the smoother finish on Kathy's guitar and the lack of a strap peg, which prevented the Merrill from sliding on the supports. Also Kathy's guitar may have a heavier harp headstock.

It is possible to put the new guitar on a Catch-o-Matic and have it slowly, over 10-15 seconds, slide, twist, and fall out of the stand.

I bought one of the Hercules stands that Brad recommended and it works well. The guitar hangs at an angle, but it is secure. In that stand the only way the guitar will fall is if the stand and the guitar get knocked over.

Pete
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Happy Holidays everyone!

I thought I'd bump this back up and see what folks are
using for stands for their Dyer style HG's.
What have you tried? What has worked and what hasn't?

Thanks,
Mike
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I've tried everything, including one that Pete mentioned last, only to watch my harp guitar flip upside down in it. 
It is a big problem - especially at Gatherings, where the 50+ of us with instruments are all too naive, trusting, and grabbing guitars left and right.  So far (knock wood) only 1 serious accident, but that one was painful.
There are two problems with any stand for a Dyer or similar: Uneven weight of the assymetrical causes it to want to move/swing in 2 directions - down and twisting back.  And if it stays put, the whole stand can still tip over from the weight.
I've been brainstorming HG stands for years and have some things figured out, but not yet the material (stiffness), portability, nor "trip-ability" for multiples at Gatherings on dark stages.  I'd love to see someone either build a better mouse trap or contact me about a serious project someday...


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