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Hy, my name is stijn, I already posted something in the historic topics segment.

But I think I first have to introduce myself, for real !

I have a little guitar repair shop in Antwerp, Belgium. No harp guitars so far... I've build some guitars in the last past years, from nylon string through steelstring acoustics till the electric guitars and basses.

I was getting interested in those HG instruments while I was writing a thesis about the restoration problems for romantic guitars on display in a museum.

During research I had found some weird instruments, without a second neck but just a pole, and through one and another I came here.

Now, almost 10 years later, I finally donated the first €10 so I could post here some questions, about this crazy idea I have in mind ...

I want to build a copy of a Gibson Harp Guitar... (applause? Or just hitting your index against your forehead?)

I already contacted Ben and Gregg about this, I'm still in doubt about which model, but I think it would turn out well. I hope I can meet Ben somewhere in September, so I can see his own harpguitars and shop.

That's why I'm here in the first place: to ask some info, construction pictures ...

And in return I will post the entire build process !

What do you think? a fair trade?


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Hi Stijn,

Sounds like a great project!

I have an early Style U with the scroll bridge. Let me know if I can help with photos etc. And good luck!


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I rebuilt a 1906 Gibson 6 bass harp guitar a few years ago. I showed a few pictures here....

 http://harpguitars.websitetoolbox.com/post/Gibson-Harp-Guitar-2814576?highlight=1906+gibson

I am sure I have pictures of the inside. I can see what I have and send them if you would like. If you are interested in this rare model, I can do some measuring. Here is a pic of the Gibson and the HG I made last year. I showed them at an OLF Florida luthier's meeting in a friend's home recently.
 


Steve's Gibson is guite a bit larger than mine. We have had some fun jamming together at the Gatherings.

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First I have to talk with Ben about his Gibson HG.

@ Steve: I let you know when I have the measurements of Bens, after that we can comepare.

@ Micheal: I already saw your topic, and I think also found one pic of the inside.

I'm really curious about the pole connection to the body. I first thought it runs completely through the body...
But I know a few story's about HG's with two missing necks...

What is the thing of yours not having an external truss-rod?


By searching the net, I also came across an instrument with a concave-convex fretboard radius ... I'm interested in the (dis)advantages of this ...

I know there are 2 complete different style's: U and R, but I still can't differentiate them ...


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Ben is the expert. He has saw my Gibson up close before and after the repair and helped me with the project. He has a tracing of my Gibson so you can see the difference in size. He also helped me with the bracing on the other HG in he picture. I like the R style because the size is easy to handle and it has 6 bass like most modern HGs.  MY Gibson has 2 support poles running through the body. One of them continues through the upper bout to become the bass neck and peg head.

I recorded my rebuild at Luthier Forum....

http://www.luthierforum.com/index.php?/topic/8628-gibson-1906-harp-guitar-model-r-restoration/page__hl__%2B1906+%2Bgibson__fromsearch__1

You have to join to view it but it is easy to do. I did not rebuild it like the original because the original fell apart over the years. I incorporated some modern building methods and parts to improve the playability. It has bolt on necks and the guitar neck is slimmer and includes an internal truss rod. I think you will find many other helpful hints if you view the build there.  

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Hey Michael,
thanks !

I also was thinking about an internal trussrod.

Really curious about the process, have to wait until the admin approves my registration ...


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Hi Stijn and Michael,

I love my Style U but if I were going to build one, I would go for the R size like Michael's! Easier to play and more rare. While the U's show up occasionally, the only R I've ever seen is Michael's. (Way to go Michael!)

When you see and play Ben's, which is very similar to mine, you will see why I recommend the R. The larger U is heavy and uncomfortable to play. The extra strings are the only advantage.

With that said, either would be a great project. I look forward to your adventure!

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Yes, I was thinking the same, I already saw a lot of pictures on the www and found out that there where 2 sizes ...I think the style R will be perfect.

And 6 bourdon strings are more than enough, still have to learn how to play it !


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Actually they are 3 sizes:
R: 17" 7/8
U first years: 21"
U last years: 18" 2/4
I would recommend personally 7 basses and the R or 18"3/4...

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Ok Benoit, we really have to talk, I see I don't really have any clue about those guitars ...

But It is difficult to see the difference in size between a late U and the R on a picture.



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Ok, what do you all think about this ...

Picture is from an Elderly Instruments photo set:
1909 Gibson U Harp Guitar #9265



Playable, or not?


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Good question... anatomically there is no reason to do that...

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Just saw Michaels topic at luthier forum about the harp restoration ...
(I've put the pictures on my computer, and will use them for personal documentation only !!!)

I'm quite impressed...

@ benoit: indeed, multiscale frets, twisted neck ... those are ergonomically a lot better when you compare it with normal necks, but this, I don't know?


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Too much booze???

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@ Michael:
Are you the same Michael Schreiner who has build the black lute for Jozef Van Wissem ?

**edit: It's not you, I think, pictures do not match !


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I am aware of the other Michael. I believe I had the name first. There is also an "exotic  movie star" in Germany with the same name. Schreiner means wood worker in German.

The Original Michael Schreiner


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Hm ... very late response to this topic ...
Due to shop move in one month and a lot of work I was not able to visit Benoit in '12.
I hope I can do it this year.
I'm thinking to set up a corner in the new shop only for building instruments, so the repairs are never in the way of the dreams.
And I made myself a promise: I have to start the build this year ! I call it my own ten-year plan, but I have to start somewhere ...



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And we have a plan.

I spend almost a whole day at benoit's, tracing his style U, what a big lady !!!

At the end of august he will have his former style R in his shop, I hope to meet the other owner then, and have a little chat !

We have all the wood, a plan, lots of pictures, and when I have the time I can start :)



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Please let us know where you document your build. I am excited for you to begin. The joy of building then playing the instrument is better than chocolate.

Michael 

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I'm not sure yet.
Probably here, and on a Dutch forum.
I'm quite correct in showing the whole process, so pictures will say everything, in stead of my broken English ;)

Would you suggest an other forum?


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