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Ok - 1st off, let me say that I rarely play out live anymore. I do the occasional half a set at company events, etc, but not much else. At home, I play for pleasure and when I record, I prefer using mics over "plugging in" for anything acoustic. So I didn't bother putting any kind of electronics in my Sullivan-Elliot HG. Well, they've asked me to play a half set at a company event next month and I thought I might try to stumble through a song (or 2) on my HG before grabbing a 6 string to finish with.
With several people performing, they'll be hiring a PA and folks to run it... so my first thought was that I'd just let those guys figure out how to mic it. But the more I think about that, the less sure I am. So I've been reading some of the older posts on this thread and getting some ideas. Here's some of my current thoughts: It seems an easy and inexpensive solution to mount a soundboard transducer (or 2) inside the thing. The only modification would be to drill for an endpin jack. I see a "Schatten" unit at Stew-Mac for about $35... you can't beat that price! But after reading a lot of good things about K & K, I'm now thinking about springing for something like the Big Twin ($89). It makes sense to me that 2 transducers at different locations would be more likely to capture the full HG sound than just one. I realise this is still only "part of" the total systems some of you guys install in your HG's, but remember, I'm trying to avoid a lot of expense (and some work! lol) I also realise that I'll likely need a preamp of some sort to go with the transducers... but my Martin Dreadnaught has a passive undersaddle pickup and I've been thinking about one of the Baggs or Fishman outboard units anyway. So what do you guys think? Would a single piezo thing like the Schatten unit do my Sullivan-Elliott style HG justice? ...would I be better off paying a little more and getting the dual K & K "Big Twins"? Or should I just go back to my original plans and let the sound guys figure out how to mic it? (I have some nice condensor mics, I could bring my own along if need be) Of course, any other thoughts would also be appreciatted... Tom __________________ - Tom -
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I recommend the K and K, you can even have one made for you with the exact number of "spots" you need.
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I am installing some K&K on the Cocobolo 21-string I made. It is sold and off to America but the chap who bought it requested a pickup system. I love the K&K pickups and pads but the issue you have with the Elliott and Sullivan design is that you have fan struts going across the bridge plate. These struts block out some of the places where the pads should go.
I have a FanTaStick under the bass, with a Pure Classic for the guitar section. There are two shorter FanTaSticks to make up the super treble section. So you have 4 pickups with one internal and one external preamp. You get the liveliness from the Pure Classic plus you can easily blend in the bass und supertreble strings without having to worry about feedback. To answer your question, if you have a decent instrument then you should put a decent pickup system in. You have 20 strings which is just over 3 times as many strings as a normal guitar. I would be expecting to pay at least 3 times the amount of a regular guitar pickup system as a very rough guide. I would go with your original idea and let the sound guys mic the instrument up. All the best __________________ Stephen Sedgwick
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Thanks Benoit and Stephen! It sounds like K and K would be a good choice if I do put something in it... but Stephen, you make a valid point that an instrument like this deserves a full treatment. I guess my thought was that the transducer "dots" would be somewhat "non-invasive" and easily removed if I chose to. I did put the bracing in per the original S-E drawings and those fan struts do cross the bridge plate just as you've pointed out, but I thought I read somewhere that the k and k big twins wouldn't neccasarily go on the bridge plate. Oh well... maybe I will just leave it to the sound guys to mic it after all.
Thanks for the input guys! Tom __________________ - Tom -