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I made a few small changes to the main Organology page.  See Updates at page bottom.
I also completely re-did the Lyre Guitars page, with links to all remotely related topics on the site.


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I expanded my Footnote 5 regarding important HG nomenclature provenance and added an "Updates" link....

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After some recent correspondence with an HG.net reader, I (yet again) updated the Multi-Course Guitar page (retitled "Extended Range") and added back into the Galleries a Fretted Harp Guitar category....(oxymoron, I know, but no way around it...)

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Gregg,

As you know, I am the least purist of the bunch when it comes to the definition of harp guitar.  But I do appreciate your obsession with trying to clarify these issues...somebody's bound to try to do it, and I'm glad it's not me!

Personally, I've come around to the conviction that having frets under the so-called harp strings really makes a lot of musical sense.  An example, of course, would be The New Dream, with it's frets beneath the sub-bass strings (which I DO call harp strings, because their main purpose in my design conception is essentially the same as the sub-bass harp strings on a more typical harp guitar).  These frets are certainly not there for "manufacturability"; likewise they are not primarily intended to be stopped with the fingers, although I certainly considered that as one of the possibilities being built into the thing.  No, their main purpose really is as part of the individual-string capo-ing system, to extend the possible range of harp/open notes available from the sub-basses.

Here's a question:  are the low strings on Michi's new harp guitar (made for M. Simmons) with the moveable "zero-frets" (my name, but that's one way you could look at them) really unfretted? 

And yes, if I make a 5-string banjo with a wooden top and no frets under the 5th string, isn't it a harp guitar?

Thank goodness you don't have to put up with me much...I'm glad we have a "fretted harp guitar" category...I'll go back in my hole now!

Fred

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Fred, you banjo-pickin-n-grinnin fool you!
I think any 5th grade organologist (my school didin't offer it) would tell you that a banjo is not a guitar (and vice versa).  That means a harp-banjo CAN'T be a harp-guitar. Even when you build the Banjalarpe (but we will still let you bring it).
And no, if your New Dream frets were designed to be fretted, YOU (but only you) would be "required by Pope's Law" to consider it something other than a harp guitar. But get this: If the owner chooses to NEVER fret those subs - even under torture - then HE (but not you) could legally (in 49 of the States) be allowed to consider it a "fretted harp guitar."  We are of course referring just to your subs section (the treble/mid section makes it a harp guitar).
Now, you raise a good point about Michi's...good in the sense that others may also question it.  But neither I, nor even John Doan (who tends to "remain soft" on such issues, while I hang in effigy) have any confusion. See what John wrote (to the 10-string Guitar Forum) awhile back at my request: http://www.harpguitars.net/history/org/org-multi-course.htm
Specifically that, in reference to the "harp" part of the harp guitar name: "No fingers are used to shorten the strings." That means a nut post is a nut post is a nut post. Kinda like a sliding "Fred Carlson individual twist lever capo" (also not a finger, wise guy).
Hey, nice to hear from you, but don't you have instruments to build instead of engaging in another no-win argument with the P?
Readers: Fred and I love each other - this is normal, and sometimes necessary, bantering...



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Gregg,

You must have heard that I never made it past 4th grade in public school....I always assumed if I studied "organology" I'd be learning about kidneys and things (where is the pancreas located, anyway?).

So it all comes down to "the finger", eh.  If I give you the finger, you are not a harp guitar...or maybe not a fretted harp guitar...or...

Wait.... I think I'll go back to something I know about...banjos!!  Truth is, I've tuned my guitar (six-string) like a banjo (a 5-stringer with an extra bass string, is how I think of it) for years now, and I play with banjo-playing technique (some would say lack of technique...I hearby proclaim those people to be "fretted harp guitars" (I give them the finger!!)).  This means that I do not fret (give the finger to) my 6th string, which I restring with .010" gauge and tune up like a banjo 5th-string as a thumbed drone (harp string).  Hey, I have successfully turned my 6-string (actually it's an 18-string, and I sold it so I can't claim any of this to be true anymore!) into a "fretted harp guitar"!!  Cool.  Something to write to Uncle Wyman about!  Unfortunately Uncle Wyman is no longer with us, and wouldn't know what I was talking about, anyway.  So, I'm really glad you're here, listening to this and understanding....and...hey...uh...anyone there...????

In any case, as I was saying...a banjo is too a guitar!!  And both have the potential to access their inner fretted harp guitar, with the right lack of fingering.  Heck, if all I have to do to be a "fretted harp guitarist" is to not fret the strings, I think I've found my calling as a musician...dude, this organology stuff rocks!!  I'm gonna put that pink dot back on my drivers' license!!  Cool!! 

Fred

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Ooops,

re-reading this last post of mine, which I admit I thought quite brilliant at the time, I see a few mistakes and inconsistencies that indicate that maybe I have a less than iron grip on basic concepts of organology. 

I don't hear any gasps of surprise from the listening audience....

Oh well...

Fred

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You remind me of the Padma. You know, "If it gets the pig clean use it". I don't know how to respond to him either. Tight bond is better than hide glue and bolt on necks are superior to dove-tail. Ramble, rambleā€¦ make your own drum sander and a banjo is a guitar and pickles are made from cucumbers and I must be going mad....

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Okay I am better today. Fred, you ARE brilliant. I love that you are so accesable and open. Would you be my friend?
Michael 

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Michael,

I would like nothing better!  Thanks for asking!

As for being compared to "the Padma", I don't spend much time on the forums he frequents, but I know who you mean.  He seems like a nice old hippie, maybe even crazier than me.

This thread has wandered pretty far from "Updates"....I guess I'm good at that. 

Here's to friendship!

Fred

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