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Love the Advil Liquid-Gel in the head-stock pic. Oh and I've got that Walnut Creek guide on my bench as we speak er type er...
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I'll try to get a better shot of my HF and VHF rigs next time. Any other OTC drugs you'd like to see included, just let me know. I could put the Bloodrock Reunion Concert flyer signed by John Nitzinger in the next shot as well. OK...gotta go get some sides bent!

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Today's progress report:
 Got the sides bent and in the form, end block made and glued in place, and kerfing for the top is glued in and sanded. Rosette trench and sound hole (single) are cut, made new X braces and got them glued in along with the bridge plate. Bent/formed some herringbone purfling for the rosette. Should get the top bracing done and have it indexed to the sides Sunday evening. I'll add pictures tomorrow...forgot the camera today.

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Food for thought: Does a Weissenborn need drone strings, and if so, how many?

Dennis,

I'm sure you must have already seen it but New Zealand builder Paddy Burgin recently made a double necked Weiss. He has one tuned to Open G and one to Open D and they act as sympathetics when not being played. Check out him playing them on youtube:

Swift Current

Jesus on the Mainline

My daughter Martha who I made a Weiss for last birthday (21st) has already put in her request for one


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Haven't seen it yet, but I'll check it out. Thanks Dave!

And here's Sunday's pic's. Had to take today off due the wife's Birthday.
X bracing went on and then used them to index the top to the sides kerfing.


Had a couple of small *oops* doing the final bending on the sides and getting them clamped in the mold. But nothing that can't be fixed and made invisible.


Lots of clamps and scrap wood in lieu of a go deck. Got brave and scalloped all the bracing with a chisel and smoothed it out with hand sanding.


With luck, the rosette will go in tomorrow and the top will be glued in place. I've got the final shaping done to the head stock, and ready to drill it for tuners once I decide which ones I'll be using. I also chose to hold off on making a slotted headstock for build #1.


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Dennis,

If that's the final bracing then it looks too meaty to me. Height wise it is probably OK (how high and wide are the braces?) but you could take a lot of weight off by making them more triangular in profile and keeping the height as is without sacrificing much strength. The brace stiffness varies with the cube of the height and in direct proportion to the width.The same is probably true of the back braces.

Also I would invest the time to make a go-bar deck - they are cheap and easy to make. I worry a little bit that your gluing set up is not giving you enough distributed pressure for gluing the braces. The braces are one area you don't want to mess with.

Looking good though.


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Darrell, I'll leave that one for the *pros* to answer! The plans call for six, and I have seen a couple of others barced with six. Chances are, this may be needed for the C6 tuning (or is that Csus6?) originally/traditionally for these instruments.

Really? I hadn't heard of original Weisses tuned to C6 back in the day...

Not really familiar with Weiss construction at all. Did they all have that brace down the center above the soundhole? Seems like an odd place and orientation. ??

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Food for thought: Does a Weissenborn need drone strings, and if so, how many?


Weissenborns don't need any (unless you count that odd Kona I noticed in the Tone Poems III booklet). OTOH Knutsens could use anywhere from 2-5. And might as well go whole hog and throw some supertrebles on... I plunked a bit on a vintage sub-equipped Knutsen at a recent guitar show, and had no idea how to play it (which isn't saying much). Obviously Chris K thought long and hard about these extra strings and how they'd be used in a Hawaiian context. Talk about a lost art! I wonder how many actual harp steel guitarists there EVER were.

I also wonder if Knutsen-style harp steel configuration could be somehow adapted to Indian slide music - I imagine something full of harp arms and zither pins... You could run the symps down the hollow neck, etc. Has Fred ever made a Hawaiian guitar?




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I could be wrong about the tuning Darrell, but that's what stuck in the back of my head. The center brace above the sound hole is my own doing. With a 4 piece top, I wanted to help spread any loads/stress from the fret board. It is tied into the lateral brace just above the sound hole in the same manner as the X braces.


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looking really good man! that 3 piece top is quite fancy looking!
i had the same advise from DW there about bracing, and i followed his instructions and found the tone opened up a bit on my flattops. gave a much nicer outcome i thought!
what ever you choose, they look nice and i m sure it will sound awsome! 
good pix!
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Dave,
  The braces are pretty "meaty", but they are as called out on the plans, and even trimmed down a bit from that. I got the top glued on tonight, so too late to do any more shaping. But I do plan to shape them as you suggest on Weissenborn #2. This one got my feet wet with hand shaping using a chisel, so I'll be more comfortable with shaping them next time! I agree on the go bar deck, but I also took care to put as even a pressure as possible across the braces with what I had to work with.

Thanks T,
   It's actually 4 piece! Sad part is a lot of the nice figure in the koa is going to end up under the fret board. Don't ask how many times I taped the parts to a plexiglass template to decide which way to put it all together.

Another round of thanks to everybody for the help, kind words,  and encouragement!

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Oh plans ... that's the problem. I usually start by throwing those away


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HA HA HA now thats funny ! i agree entirely!!!


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Make the fretboard out of lucite or plexi. It's been done on electic steels for years. When the edges are bound, you get this neat 3D kind of look, like the frets and dots are floating in air and you can still see the wood underneath. Don't know if that's necessarily a good thing, as far as playing goes, but it looks totally cooool.

The one below is from George Boards. I think he has them CNC laser-etched. You might even be able to buy just the FB from him if you're interested.




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I knew you'd understand Dave! I highly suspect Weissenborn #2 will see several changes.

Interesting idea Darrell. I'll check into that. I'm considering an electric solid body Weissenborn at some point. Just so happens I know where some 1/4" think plexi is.


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that things awsome who ever can play that thing probebly gets loads of gigs and sessions in nashville!
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Tonight's pic's. I set the fret board and bridge on it just to give an idea of what it will look like.











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Dennis,

That looks fabulous. the wood has a really nice depth and sheen to it - very tactile, What finish are you going to use?

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Wow, that Osage Orange on Koa looks fantastic.


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ya I love the color wood myself...too...


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Thanks guys! I have the headstock glued in and the back is rough contoured. With final shaping to be done Sunday so I can get the kerfing in. The headstock moved a bit at some point after I clamped it up. But not so much that I feel a need to remove it. So...we're talking about building an allignment jig for my next build.  Hope to close the box on Monday!

For the finish, I'll be using Z-Poxy as a grain filler. Which actually looks pretty darn good without shooting anything on top of it! Final finish will be nirtocellulose laquer. I think the fretboard will look better with just the Z-Poxy as a filler/sealer, and buff it to a nice matte finish with steel wool. Same with the bridge.




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All went well today, and the back is on! I'll try to remember the camera so I can get pic's once it's trimmed and sanded.

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Here's the latest. Binding and headstock are done, may try to get the bridge slotted and drilled tonight.








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I got the first coat of Z Poxy rubbed on the top and head stock tonight. Not sure what else will get done before we head out to HGGV. Lots to do to get ready!





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pretty nice and well made !!  and so quickly made, stunning

Maybe I was a snail in a past life , I am so slow...

Good job guy!


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Beautiful Dennis! i really like the over all shape! looking fwd to seeing you and everyone in virginia!
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